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Topic: new saber idea
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lyvewyer
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posted 03-24-2000 09:11 PM
what do you guys thing of this idea?
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Zumdahl
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posted 03-24-2000 09:56 PM
I dunno. What does the black saber look like in action? I would think it would look like a black rod that glimmers with purple, not an actual laser beam like a light saber. |
lyvewyer
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posted 03-24-2000 10:16 PM
it actually looks kinda cool, ive gottent the first few seconds of the clip done, its pretty nice so far------------------
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ScRiptRaven
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posted 03-24-2000 11:05 PM
hey I like it but where did you dig up the bum with the purple light saber. |
Prism
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posted 03-25-2000 02:55 AM
Uhh.. I don't get it... ?? A black lightsabre?Isaiah |
Mr. Hutt
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posted 03-25-2000 12:26 PM
Pretty cool idea. You might want to have it move differently than a regular lightsaber, say, with a ghosting or trail effect. Maybe it could leave a little trail of smoke as it swishes around. Kudos for being creative! |
lyvewyer
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posted 03-25-2000 02:33 PM
finally, some positive input, the guys over at swvideo hated it cause they said, "theres no way that light can produce the color black" i responded, "thats why they call it science FICTION" hehe
btw, scriptraven, that dude just followed me home one day from school, i gave him some deodorant and stood him up in from of the camera.
ill take those ideas about the whole smoke trail thing into consideration.------------------
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Mister Twisted
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posted 03-25-2000 08:00 PM
wouldn't that be called a darksabre? :-) |
Film Boy
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posted 03-25-2000 08:32 PM
Nah. I think it's just not impressive enough. I bet if you had the center white like normal and then a black/dark purple aura it might look cool. Film a blacklight at night. It does that. I think all black will just look bad, but hey. Post the URL to the clip when you've done more and prove me wrong! |
lyvewyer
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posted 03-25-2000 08:34 PM
i had thought about calling it a darksaber, that sounds kinda cool
the clip wont look that good, cause im not that good at rotoscoping yet, thats why im doing this. it should be done by tuesday at latest------------------
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lyvewyer
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posted 03-25-2000 11:34 PM
im a little more than half way done right now, ive gotten up to 8 of 13 filmstrips done (i export them in small portions, to save load time in photoshop) it looks good. i just need to finish the other ones, go back and touch it up, then export the final project, by the way, what compression settings do you reccomend i use, i havent found any that get the files small enough yet.------------------
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Mr. Sable
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posted 03-27-2000 01:10 PM
The idea of a laser sword is silly anyway, why impose rules on what one would look like?I think it's cool! In Bladerunner, they were going to make their pistols shoot a beam of "Black" light. If you very closely watch the scene where Leon shoots Holden under the table, the beam IS black, but only the once. It must have been to difficult to keep it up. If you can pull it off, do it! |
Mr. Sable
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posted 03-27-2000 01:12 PM
Geez, that was almost blasphemy, wasn't it.By the Ghost of Yoda, I didn't mean it! |
Mr. Hutt
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posted 03-27-2000 03:31 PM
And who's to say it's made of "light" anyway? It could be some bizarre smoky chemical that hols it's shape.It's weird, someone comes up with a fairly original idea, and everyone's bashing it 'cause it doesn't look "normal". Duuhhh. That's the idea. |
Frank Milne
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posted 03-27-2000 03:51 PM
I did ask what we thought, right? Answering honestly isn't bashing.------------------
"I like to see things as I remember them, not as they were." -Bill Pullman "Lost Highway" |
Mr. Sable
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posted 03-27-2000 05:11 PM
Then why's it called a light sabre? 'Cause it isn't that heavy?Seriously, I like the "dark" sabre and it wouldn't surprise me to see it in Episode 2. Use it. Send a VHS copy to yourself via registered mail and get a piece of the Lucas pie in court when he steals your idea. |
BIG JIM SLATE
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posted 03-27-2000 05:25 PM
I'm not sure about a "dark" saber, but Mace Windu will have some freaky awesome purple one. ------------------
"V is for victory! Go tell your friends!" |
lyvewyer
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posted 03-27-2000 05:38 PM
lol, good one mr. sable, they would probably counter sue me for using the lightsaber idea, i mean come on, the guy copyrighted the word "lightsaber" he's the most greedy guy in the industry. that would be cool though, to make them pay me to use my idea in their movie.------------------
I was normal once..... I didn't like it.
sweet merciful crap! my car! - homer simpson
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Mr. Sable
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posted 03-28-2000 01:50 PM
Call it a Black Hole Scimitar, or never refer to its name at all. Georgie-boy'll tear off his toupe in frustration. |
Aiden
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posted 03-28-2000 06:30 PM
I think a black saber is stupid, if you knew anything about sabers you never would've thought of that. A saber is pure energy, meaning it's damn hot, that's why it cauderizes wounds. And the hottest color is white. And the reason it's called sci-fi isn't because it's all fiction, but cause it's all based on science. Keep trying, hey maybe you could make some
invisible blades next. |
lyvewyer
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posted 03-28-2000 09:58 PM
ummm.... tell me something, when was the last time you saw a real life working lightsaber? when you find one, bring it to me and show me exactly where in the instruction manual it says "cannot be black" but untill then i'll make them however i darn well please. ------------------
I was normal once..... I didn't like it.
sweet merciful crap! my car! - homer simpson
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Mr. Hutt
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posted 03-28-2000 10:46 PM
I hate to repeat myself, Aiden, but who said it was made of "energy"? You say light cannot produce the color black, and I say then it's probably not made of light. It could be made of hot gas, for all we know. It's wierd that you all completely accept the sci-fi idea that light can be organized and restrained into a single, 3-foot long blade, but when someone (god forbid) actually decides to make his the WRONG COLOR, you can't comprehend it. And Lyvewyer, it would be really neat if you also made the darksaber sound different then a "normal" lightsaber. I'm thinking maybe a hissing, almost breathing sound. I'm trying this effect out on my computer. [This message has been edited by Mr. Hutt (edited 03-28-2000).] |
lyvewyer
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posted 03-29-2000 03:06 PM
my partner, scriptraven, suggested that i have almost a screaming sound when it is swung, like the title sequence of scream. right now im just using normal saber sounds. later ill try another type. thanx for the support. by the way, the clip should be done today, if i have enough time after doing my media production class project.------------------
I was normal once..... I didn't like it.
sweet merciful crap! my car! - homer simpson
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Snale
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posted 03-29-2000 03:23 PM
I'm workin on some sounds kinda like that. I'll send them when i'm done and you can use them if you want. That offer will stand for anyone else that needs SoundFX. I love doin them and have no movies to put them in right now so I hate to see them go to waste. |
Ivan
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posted 03-29-2000 03:48 PM
I remember once in 2nd grade, I got yelled at and got a zero for coloring a flower green. the teacher told us to color it, so I colored it, and I wanted a green flower. According to her, there are no green flowers (there are of course) and...ahem,. anywayI think its cool lookin, you might have more of a gradient between the black and purple though. I mean, have it change to purple just as soon, but more of a fade between it if you know what I mean. or, if not, thats ok too, science doesnt dictate at all what sort of self-containing energy beams one can create, not to mention sceince is pretty well a bust much of the time anyway, so, have fun, ey  \ great original idea |
buffy
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posted 03-29-2000 04:02 PM
Dunno really why I´m putting this in put I´m planning on using sabers made out of compressed air. How about that? It´s really not controllable in length, which isn´t the point either. Actually they´re made for handheld "people-separating" uses, instead of rubber-bullet guns or water cannons, but you could use it for saber fighting aswell, as the beam is so intense. Thus, eventually, some trickster gets the idea of personal transport using the beam as a rocket. How is that for logic, you logic craving creativity blockers?------------------
/Keep up the good work |
lyvewyer
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posted 03-29-2000 04:31 PM
do you guys want me to post what ive done so far, i havent gotten all of the sabers drawn in, but i have the sounds done and about half of the sabers drawn. if you want to see it, ill be glad to put it on my site.------------------
I was normal once..... I didn't like it.
sweet merciful crap! my car! - homer simpson
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Aiden
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posted 03-29-2000 04:37 PM
OK, For everyone that is so set on throwing the laws of physics right out the window for the sake of a color, here goes.
If you've read any of the tech books you'll see that it specifically states that the blade is pure energy. Pure energy is white due to it's pure energy properies. It's not hot gas. When was the last time you heard of hot gas ripping through metal. And how would it form the shape, if it was gas it would float away.
The energy is formed due to the focusing chrystal. Look into it before you start dissing people for correcting an idea that has no basis. If you can't handle other peoples opinion don't post a dumb idea. I wonder why they ripped this idea apart at the other post.
It was a cool idea but it's just not possible. And if you're so set on having a black blade. Explain it. Back you're idea up, don't just say "well why not". It's hard to except an idea when it goes against all that is known to be true.
Try and dispute me with fact not uneducated guesses. C'mon, bring it on. |
lyvewyer
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posted 03-29-2000 04:45 PM
dude, you just dont get it do you... its SCI-FI science FICTION its not real, there is no focusing crystal, you cant back up an idea about a lightsaber color with fact because there is no fact in it. its a movie. if Luca$ had made them with black blades in the first place, you wouldnt be saying anything. and why do you have to go saying its dumb, saying that you dont like it is fine. its times like this that i wished i were the type of person that cussed, cause ignorance ticks me off. so from now on, im making all my bad guys saber blades different colors, and all my good guys blades white, if you dont like it, fine, dont watch the movie. it doesnt affect me at all. but for the rest of you, im uploading the unfinished clip right now, in a few days, ill finish it up and refine it, then repost it. ------------------
I was normal once..... I didn't like it.
sweet merciful crap! my car! - homer simpson
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Aiden
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posted 03-29-2000 05:11 PM
OK, so you still refuse to understand the principal of the matter. Go to this link and if you still don't believe me then there is no hope for you. You're the one that needs to work on his ignorance problem. There is written proof of what I'm saying but I guess Lucas and everyone at ILM and the entire star wars community has had it wrong all a long, thanks for you're insight.
http://starwars.com/weapons/lightsaber/ |
Mr. Sable
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posted 03-29-2000 06:24 PM
Hold on to your pocket protector, Aiden. It's not real. It's not even science fiction. It's science fantasy. You can do what ever you want in fantasies. So, relax, a touch. Simmer down, lil' camper. No need to pass a stone!You'd think that someone so into "physics" would get all anal about being able to HEAR ships zooming through space, too, let alone laser swords. [This message has been edited by Mr. Sable (edited 03-29-2000).] |
Mister Twisted
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posted 03-29-2000 06:40 PM
How about "to show their prowess, the most powerful Sith Lords can harness the dark side of The Force to re-align the polarity of the crystal, turning their lightsabres into weapons of utter annihilation. Nothing, not even light, can escape the destructive power of the energy field"?I notice that starwars.com doesn't have a "scientific" explanation for how microscopic cooties in your blood (which is what The Force turns out to be, according to "Phantom Menace") are better at aiming missiles than targetting computers, eh, Aiden? |
Aiden
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posted 03-29-2000 07:19 PM
Finally, Twisted that's an iteresting idea. See if you can explain your idea somewhat then it's all good. I was just trying to state as to why it wouldn't be feasable. But everyone got all pissed off and couldn't explain themselves with anything more than guesses.
You try and post a reply and everyone guets techty. What's the purpose of this post if it's only for what you want to hear.
Hmmm, I wonder why lucas never brought out the black saber or anyone that has written one of the hundred books. Maybe you're the only one that's thought of this. Yea right. I'm guessing it might have something to do with the fact it's not possible.C'mon everyone am I the only one that has any clue as to what's really going on? |
lyvewyer
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posted 03-29-2000 07:37 PM
yes, yes you are, we all bow down before your intelect....*snicker*
btw, did anyone check out the clip at my site? ------------------
I was normal once..... I didn't like it.
sweet merciful crap! my car! - homer simpson
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schnarf283
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posted 03-29-2000 09:36 PM
I am a vehement star wars fan, and I agree with you... HOWEVER:
-it looks cool
-it would sound cool
-its original
And you can't really tell someone they're wrong because they're not copying george lucas. And if you want to get really technical, let's all flame Lucas for letting explosions and fire to happen in space. Also, how can lightsabers have controlled lengths if they're lasers, and how can they glow a color but have a white core, for that matter. Star Wars is science fiction. |
Aiden
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posted 03-29-2000 10:32 PM
OK, OK, I yeild. It's a cool idea. I saw your clip and it's interesting. This is all rather pointless, so I'm not going to keep pushing. Have fun all. |
Darth Durham
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posted 03-30-2000 12:04 AM
Well as a HUGE Star Wars fan; I hate it! I think the idea of a "black" lightsabre is stupid.
As a film buff; It is creative, but i still hate it. |
Gamecat
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posted 03-30-2000 01:44 AM
Hey how about instead of energy the black sabre be made of anti matter? yeah yeah anti matter rock on. Hey do you honestly think Lucas gave a shiznit about the physics of the thing when he invented it? I mean come on, I bet the guy was like.. whoa.. what if we had these things that were like swords only they were like glowing light beams.. yeah I'll call them glow swords... no wait that sounds lame... maybe light sword? eh weak.. I kniow sabres are neat... I'll call it a light sabre even though it really doesn't look much like a sabre and you don't use the sabre fighting technique... umm oh wow I really started babling there huh? Anyway yeah anti matter is cool... I like the dark sabre, only I agree with that other post that the color shift is too quick... maybe if you made the outer color swirl around the outside of the blade or something? Yeah yeah... but that will prolly be really hard... Umm ok post over. Bye bye |
loosenut
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posted 03-30-2000 03:23 AM
For Aiden:Do you actually think that George Lucas thought of this focussing cyrstal and everything you're arguing about? Do you think he cared whether or not gas could rip through metal, that white is the hottest color, or that the beam is solid energy? I highly doubt it. He wrote a screenplay and all the little Star Wars nerds (pardon me) went out and came up with all these little terms for it. For some reason I doubt that half of the technical specs on Star Wars, George Lucas has memorized and brings back into his memory whenever he writes something else. A light saber is just a strong beam of something... it's not real... it's fiction. If lightsabers were real I can understand why we are having this argument, because things would be inaccurate, but since they're FICTION and a whole lot of people made them up it doesn't really matter. Aghh... I'm babbling. Don't be ignorant. As for the person who came up with the idea, go for it. It's better to see something fresh and original than something that's been done to death. |
loosenut
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posted 03-30-2000 03:26 AM
P.S. I'm sorry to the person ahead of me who basically said the same thing. I just read so much of this pointless garbage I didn't really want to finish reading a lot of it. Sorry... |
Elurew
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posted 03-30-2000 04:19 PM
ok now, this thing has gone on way too long.
Ok, lets get the fact...white is the hottest color...them crystals and such, purely fiction...this blade, although somewhat strange looking if developed a little more could be quite nice....however, it probably couldn't hold the name of lightsaber. But the idea is nice nonetheless....no one ever said this had to be a lightsaber, or burn through anything. The antimatter idea would be nice and i just love the screaming noise idea. I personally think the idea/effect of it should be a little more developed but there is no reason for anyone to go about bashing the idea. |
Mr. Sable
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posted 03-30-2000 06:00 PM
Exactly. Go for it, dude! |
mochishiro
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posted 03-30-2000 06:09 PM
i downloaded your clips and think you did a great job... for all the critics - this is a MOVIE and is done for FUN... if you don't want a black lightsaber than that is fine - make your own movie. |
lyvewyer
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posted 03-30-2000 06:57 PM
thank you guys for all your support, and if you notice, i never once said the word lightsaber in the original post, the name then was still in development, the green one is definatly a saber, but im not sure about the black one, ill work on that. also, ive decided to abandon that clip and start a new one. ive gotten much better at rotoscoping, and i just shot a new fight today, in which we moved the blades much slower, so i can actually see them, ill just speed it up in post. anyway, im gonna try to develop the effects, and im ditching the purple glow, maybe red... i dunno, ill just see what looks good. well, ill cya l8r, im gonna go watch the simpsons, and then get to work on that new clip. ------------------
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lyvewyer
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posted 03-30-2000 10:22 PM
 this is my new idea for a black "saber" im still working on the name, tell me what you think.------------------
I was normal once..... I didn't like it.
sweet merciful crap! my car! - homer simpson
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mochishiro
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posted 03-31-2000 03:51 PM
what program are you using to rotoscope? photoshop?go to coolfun.com and look at a program called illusion - it is pretty neat - you can add smoke effects, light effects, sparkly effects very easily in post. where'd you get the light saber sounds? |
sparkybus
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posted 03-31-2000 04:18 PM
i hafta agree with aiden in alotta respects. although lucas didnt sit there while he was writing and say "hmm...how can i make this lightsaber scientifically sound?" the principle behind a lightsaber isnt all that far fetched. call it whatever u want..."pure energy" or what not...but all it is, is a concentrated laser with a definite end point. now...lets discuss lasers...based on light...hence the name "lightsaber". there is a lense to focus and harness the energy (I.E. power crystal) and then project it. thus, it would have a very bright center. now....i like the idea of a black lightsaber...looks cool, and im not gonna bash it at all...its creative. but if all of u are hell-bent on arguing the scientific POV of all this, then yes, the facts i stated are rock solid, and as such, the blade wouldnt be dark. still a cool concept though ------------------
"to be, or not to be? ...not to be!"
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Mr. Sable
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posted 03-31-2000 04:50 PM
Maybe it's like a 70's blacklight that Darth Maul uses to make his velvet posters glow. A black light isn't technically black either, and it glows purple.Say you guys, did your teachers tell you that if you coloured outside the lines that it was a crime against humanity? DO NOT STIFLE CREATIVITY!!! [This message has been edited by Mr. Sable (edited 04-03-2000).] |
thedude
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posted 03-31-2000 05:26 PM
George Lucas will probably try to save money on the next star wars by using my idea: The invisible Lightsaber it saves money and it will follow the laws of physics. |
