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Topic: Getting Run Through
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Third Warrior
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posted 11-24-2000 10:55 AM
In addition to my previous post, I have another question regarding someone being run through with a sword. The shot would be low, from behind of the victim who is standing. The sword would run through from the front, pushing the victim's jacket out, and possibly puncturing through the jacket. I have no idea how something like this could be done lo-budget. Any suggestions?Third
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Tek2019
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posted 11-24-2000 11:07 AM
What about using a dummy? It may not be as cool as some other method involving rat traps and the like, but it would work pretty well from a low angle, especially if you can only see the back of the victim. |
Movieman21
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posted 11-24-2000 11:55 AM
I am not so sure of Tek's rat trap comment,  , but i do agree with him on the dummy part. Just have a dummy, which is filled with couch stuffing, or something else that is soft, yet will hold it shape. Then cover it with a jacket that is either pre-scored on the back, or made of really thin material, that will tear open with the pressure of the sword. It would be a good idea to set up a platic bag filled with dark blood (fake of course  )underneath the jacket at the back, where the sword is going to come through. When the sword hits this, it will rip open, and when the sword goes through the jacket, it will be bloody, and blood will gush down the back of the jacket, This will add to the realism. As for the head, just use the head that you would have made for your decapitation. Then cut to a shot of the actor who is being run through's reactions, and facial expressions. Then cut to a shot of the actor falling to the ground. Sound FX will be key for the effect of BOTH of these effects (the decapitation, and the run through). Might want to check into the sound fx forum, and see if you find what you need.------------------
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cdolsen
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posted 11-24-2000 02:09 PM
Check out your local magic store. There is a trick called SWORD THROUGH NECK that uses a 'sword' made out of a 'stanley shop rule' like material that will allow a closeup of a stab going through. I set up something like this. I took a stanley rule, scraped off all of the paint for 46 inches then polished it. Added a 6 inch handle. Then I built a hollow channel to go around the actor's body for the rule to slide through. It looked something like the letter 'c' with a 1 inch tail at both ends, and was hidden under an 'arabian night' vest. Each end of the channel had a blood bag. The shot had a mirror behind the actor to show his back. The effect was shot from the front with his back visible in the mirror. I pushed the 'sword' into the actor's stomach, and as blood flowed, continued to push. The mirror showed the 'sword' exiting his back, and more blood flowed.Extremely effective. The reason it works is because the 'sword' is really flexable, and can slide through the 'c' shape. It would be absolutely worthless for a fight or even a hard swing. btw - have your actor yell. alot. ) [This message has been edited by cdolsen (edited 11-24-2000).] |
Third Warrior
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posted 11-24-2000 03:10 PM
Thanks for all the really great ideas, folks. I have my partners checking out department stores for old mannequins and the like. We're shooting next spring or summer, so hopefully we'll have a lot of time to find something.
The c-shaped channel and the stanley rule may work best, b/c the idea of the shot is to have both actors in the shot when he is run through, with the attacker bury his sword up to the hilt in the attackee's abdomen.
Thanks again, and if anyone has further ideas, just lemme know!Third.
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multimedia light & magic
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posted 11-24-2000 11:19 PM
you just want a blade coming out the guy's back? hmm...you could do a nice cg blade, be quite easy i think. heheh, me and my cg suggestions. |
Tek2019
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posted 11-25-2000 10:32 AM
Just for reference the rat trap idea I was referring to was something I read in a previous post. Apparently someone rigged a rat trap so he could pull a string and a blade would be thrust out of a jacket, like an exit wound. That might be a little more fun to play around with, but I can't see it as being as real as actually running through a dummy.:-)
Also, depending on the camera angle you used would it be possible to have a "dummy torso" that the real actor could stand next to? I'm imagining a final shot that shows both the real actor's head and body, but the body is fake. I'm thinking maybe a really low angle shot, or maybe even just loose clothing on the dummy so there'd be more area to stab through. Drop me a line if you can't understand what I'm trying to convey. |
Third Warrior
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posted 11-27-2000 11:58 AM
No no, I get what you mean... but do you know where the blade would have been stored prior to the trap being sprung? Did it pop straight out from somewhere, or did it swing up very quickly?Another idea we're trying to engineer is a way to twist the blade. We're working with an idea of a harness with two discs, one in the front and one in the back. The front disc has the hilt attached to it, the back has the tip of the blade. The two discs are attached with piano wire or bicycle chain, so when the hilt is twisted, it turns the front disc, which pulls the wire or chain, in turn twisting the back disc and the tip of the sword. Don't know if it's going to work, but hey, I'll let you all know how it goes... Third.
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Rogue 428
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posted 11-27-2000 04:01 PM
If you remember the second Conan movie (I hope you don't...it was terrible...but if you do) you'll remember the scene in the Ice Castle where Conan fights the wizard. He winds up throwing his sword through a false mirror and impaling the wizard. The shot is pretty cool because you actually see the sword go right into and through him.It was accomplished with a really flexible sword passed through the "C" type tube affixed to the actor's costume. The sword was passed through first, yanked out with a wire...and then the shot was played in reverse! Looked decent and was a pretty cheap effect. It could also lend itself to look like a very intense sword thrust provided that your actors can act out backwards so it doesn't look fake when reversed.
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Tek2019
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posted 11-27-2000 05:27 PM
I'm not sure how the trap would work, I guess just loose clothing. Also, I don' think the discs and wire are necessary, just a sturdy "C" shape to directly connect the front and back. Or, maybe one of those plumbing snakes... just some thoughts |
Film Boy
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posted 11-28-2000 06:02 PM
Have you considered pulling his jacket with a string or strong thread? His jacket would protrude as a point. It would work good for a shotr shot, before you go in for a close up. Anyway, I'd try that. | |
