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Topic: Why blue screen?
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morpherguy
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posted 12-20-2000 04:36 PM
There seems to be some misunderstanding as to why the color blue is used to do a blue screen shot. First of all, I'm not talking about video. I'm talking about film...The reason is based on the "color difference theory" which is covered in good detail in the American Cinematographers manual. It has to do with the way FILM emulsions see color. It has nothing to do with whether or not there is any blue pigment in human skin as I sometimes read... In film, after an image is photographed on a blue screen, a series of high contrast black and white negatives are produced from the color negative. These black and white negatives are the result exposing the color negatives with a single color of light (ie red) onto high contrast negative film stock. Through color filtration, two negatives are produced; one with a black foreground object and clear background and one with a clear foreground object and black background. These "mattes" are sandwiched along with the original blue screen footage and also with the background footage in an optical printer, where the final image is recorded on fresh filmstock. I have over simplified the process a bit but I hope you get the ideal. When it comes to digital video, it really doesn't matter what color you use since the computer sees colors as numbers. You could have a green screen with an actor infront of it wearing a green shirt as long as it is NOT the same shade of green and you LIGHT YOUR GREEN SCREEN VERY EVENLY. You could have a yellow screen with a person wearing a yellow shirt infront of it. It does not matter. Some sources say that video cameras see green better than they see blue so you should use a green screen but my tests have not proven that to be true at all. I think that a lot of the info floating around about video has to do with analog video and not digital video. |
Mr. Hutt
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posted 12-20-2000 05:22 PM
Ummm, no.. The method you mentioned for doing blue screning in film was very "popular" in the 80s and early 90s, but since digital compositing has become so sophisticated, filmmakers have turned to that. Digital compositing provides seamless results, better than any of the old methods could. Your statements about video blue screening are half-accurate. Yes, you could put a person in a yellow shirt in front of a yellow screen, as long as it was a different yellow, but you need to understand that it would produce a very bad composite. Most likely you would be able to see through parts of the actor, and the edges of the shirt would be very blocky. The background color, ideally, must be as different as possible from any color on the subject, and bright blue or green have become the most succesful colors for that. You can't really understand completely how important it is to keep these colors as seperate as possible from the subject until you actually try to do it. (I once tried to film a grey model spaceship against a light yellow background.. and it was a nightmare. I could not produce a composite that was anywhere near decent, and I had to reshoot the whole thing with a blue screen instead, which produced great results.) Of course, if your subject is saturated with blue and green color, then you would use, say, a red screen. It just depends on your situation. Just try to keep you foreground color as different from your background color as possible.  ------------------ Mr. Hutt -defender of neenerheads [This message has been edited by Mr. Hutt (edited 12-20-2000).] |
morpherguy
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posted 12-20-2000 06:34 PM
While I do appreciate your thoughts on the subject Mr. Hutt, I have to disagree with you. Yes, it is true that optical printers have given way to digital composition but the fact remains that we use bluescreen based on concepts that revolve around generating mattes in the lab and not in the computer. The information that I was trying to share with you and others at LAS is based on my own experience and not from things I've read in books. I do have a motion picture camera and I do have a miniDV camera. I don't mean to suggest that you are wrong but It is possible to get a good composition from a yellow object on a yellow background or a green object on a green background. As I have already stated, you have to light the background very well. I'm not saying that using similiar colors for the foreground and background is an ideal situation. I only mention it to help illustrate the point that when working in the digital domain, you are not tied down to using only blue or green. You can pretty much use whatever you want BUT you do have to understand how the software works and what it's limitations are. After Effects has no problem with diffecult matte situations IF you understand how to use the program. |
drnw04a
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posted 12-20-2000 09:47 PM
I think your explanation of the traditional film process is correct, and I certainly don't know the details of that.But, I think the reason blue and green are still used for video compositing, is because those colors provide the sharpest contrast between the reds and yellows that define human skin. I think we take the flexibility of modern programs from granted, but early video compositors were using only the analog RGB signals, probably manipulated with hardware, so they needed to use that color difference. I remember about reading that TV weathermen in the 70's were told to wear light or very dark clothes with no blue, so they wouldn't go transparent during their live broadcasts. |
Mr. Hutt
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posted 12-20-2000 10:14 PM
First of all; you are right about the film techniques. But since the vast majority of the people here do not work with film (or for that matter, have expensive compositing programs,) then the basic facts are that in most situations, blue or green are the best choices for compositing screens. Yes, like I said, yellow, red, or any other color will work, provided that they are very different in color than the subject. Perhaps a $2,000 program like Ultimatte will let you key out a light red person that is against a medium-red background, most other programs will not, or will give you very bad results.Plus, if it really didn't matter what color you use, then howcome blue and green are still the international standard colors? Sorry if spelling is off, I had to type this one quickly.  ------------------ Mr. Hutt -defender of neenerheads | |
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