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Topic: NEW FAKE BLOOD RECIPE
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Blood_Man
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posted 10-10-1999 09:43 PM
Okay so a few days ago I was thinking why make blood from corn syrup?It is too thick and looks gay. So one day I was eating peaches and thought,
HEY WOULD'NT PEACH JUICE WORK? So I tinkered around with the last of my peach juice and put some red food coloring in it and some really dark red blood I bought. Then I poured it on my head and it ran down and left the same kind of thick yet not too thin trail on my face and bubblebs of red kinda stuck to my face like on the big hollywood movies. I have'nt tried this out in my movies but i will it's great and it tastes really good!
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Critter
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posted 10-10-1999 10:16 PM
Corn syrup blood looks gay? I have a suggestion, go buy a gallon of blood from Ben Nye. It will set you back about 60 bucks, and looks great, under some lighting, bad under others. After you try it for yourself, read the contents: Corn Syrup, FD&C Red #40, FD&C Blue#1, Water, Propylene Glycol, Methyl Paraben, Pepperment Flavor. There are a lot of formulas for blood, even several in the faqs of this site. I think if you check on the price of peach juice, you will find out why corn syrup is used so much. It is cheap. It can be thinned as needed, and flows fairly well. Remember the cost of your research and materials when you are developing new products. Consider what it cost to buy the same thing. Unless you need a specific look, flowability, or something like odd lighting in the scene, it is cheaper to use simple corn syrup recepies, or just buy some. I have been doing makeup for just over 20 years. I make my own blood for when I need gallons, buy buy it when it has to look good, repeatably.Good luck with you testing. Rex Winfrey
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gore master
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posted 10-11-1999 02:11 AM
critter,
I have not been doing make-up as long as you but:
From my name, you can tell what my specialty is. I have seen the stuff many times. been to mortuaries countless times(my roomate's father is a mortician). I have seen death's car crashes and even a murder(no questions on that please). I study the stuff on a regular basis. I have never seen a purple blood(at least not a fresh blood). the ben nye is PURPLE. it also has no yellow at all. Blood naturally has some yellow(especially if fresh). the best way to see this is by smearing it. you get a rusted orange color. The RUSTED orange is because it also has an even smaller amount of brown. This can be seen by smearing the blood on white paper. The recipe I have been giving out does look pretty good on film. the best COMMERCIAL blood I have seen is manufactured by MINIFIES MAKE-UP(which looks near perfect). But since it is in NZ, the shipping prices are too much for me. I have also started using whiskey(40%
alcohol) instead of the vodka in my recipe(helps give the brown color with out adding green and taking the risk of ruining the color). david minifie uses chloroform spirit as a preservative which helps it flow a lot(still some what thick but flows very freely). I cannot find this anywhere though. propylene glycol can also help flowing and texture, but I have not been able to find a brand safe for ingestion("sorry, we don't manufacture a food brand"). Peach juice just doesn't sound like a good idea. Ya it flow well but SO DOES WATER. Do you add food coloring to water and say "wow, looks so real". it still needs to be a little thick.
sorry to bring everyone down but, well.... |
sheri
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posted 10-12-1999 05:37 PM
LOLOL, Critter! I always love reading your comments! Just to fuel the fire, the Ben Nye stuff I've bought was ok for me, colorwise. I usually just keep a little 1 oz bottle in my beauty kit for impromptu cuts and scrapes (well at this point I refill it with my homemade brand). For the gory stuff, I'm with Critter on the cheap syrup or to cheat (when they're paying) I like Cinema Secrets FX blood. Of course, it depends on the type of blood needed, the lighting, etc. And if you make your own, you can control the shade exactly to your needs. I used an acrylic 'arterial' blood that was bright red for a shoot recently (not going to name the brand because the manufacturer is a cool guy, but I didn't care for this particular product). It was too thin, and we used it on a cardboard box in the back of a car. It just looked like red paint - the syrup lends more of a sticky, realistic look to the texture of the blood (for those of us that enjoy that kind of stuff ha ha) |
gore master
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posted 10-13-1999 04:01 PM
I don't mean to be rude but here it goes:
When you talk about how you prefer 2 kinds of commercial bloods, it's strange how they are both the most rediculously unrealistic kinds manufactured. What was the brand of that other blood you used. cinema secrets is too thick. Blood flows almost like water. It is somewhat thick but flows like water. Many people don't understand that. another good COMMERCIAL blood is screenface blood. This blood was used in the movie, SAVING PRIVATE RYAN. once again, as with mififies blood, the company is not in the US. for members who are from UK, you may want to check it out. They have a website. just do a search under screenface. |
sheri
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posted 10-13-1999 09:05 PM
Gore Man, I don't think you're rude. I believe you're sincere. We just have different points of view. I agree that sometimes the blood in movies, particularly the 'vascular' blood is distractingly too dark and purple. It just can look wrong. However, I've seen blood look too red, also. I agree that to the naked eye, it would be more realistic to add a brown tone. However, when I was first doing makeup, I would do red blood (for example ben nye gelatin blood)and it would look wrong when photographed. But if I added a drop of blue, people would react to the picture and think it was real blood. so I started using blood that was more blue. although for low light or superficial cuts, its ok. The other film make-up artists I've worked with prefer bluer blood also. My experience has been (maybe it's the kind of film, I don't know) that colors photograph warmer than they appear to the naked eye. So a color that looks bright red can be almost orangey. another makeup artist warned me about this recently on a film location. He told me not to use true red coloring on the wound appliance, but I was planning to use maroon anyway. I do have a brown-based blood, - KD Drying blood, for a realistic dry blood effect, since dry blood should definitely appear browner. Anyway, it's interesting to discuss different colors/viscosities of blood. I have about 5 or 6 different types of blood in stock. I'd be interested to hear others' points of view on the subject too. |
Jeff F
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posted 10-13-1999 11:24 PM
Different bloods do look different depending on the lighting and film stock. Savini mentioned this in his first book "Grande Illusions" (Bizzaro!). He used to use 3M film blood until it started looking bad on film, due to film stocks, not a formula change.------------------
Jeff F - Magic and FX
Amazing the Masses
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gore master
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posted 10-14-1999 01:05 AM
the recipe I used based on dick smith's(modified slightly) looks BETTER on screen than real life. Yes, when making the blood it shouldn't be too bright. But it shouldn't be the purplish color that cinema secrets and ben nye(BN is almost black) contain. As I said before the orangish smear is also important. The smaller the amount, the brighter. When smeared, a rusted orange. the rusted orange in my recipe doesn't show up to well on stage, but shows up well on screen. Movies with good stage blood, private ryan, braveheart, reservoir dogs, there's quite a bit but I'm tired and can't think of a lot. All of them had FAIRLY bright bloods. No not too bright(if you follow my or dick smith's recipe, a drop of blue is recommended). Newer filmstocks pick up the red a lot better than older ones. The blood in dawn probably wouldn't be as orange if you used it in a newer movie. Plus REAL blood can show up differently on screen(so don't get discouraged if it doesn't look the same). I saw a video where a guy was shot at by snipers. a bullet ricocheted and nicked his face. the blood looked like opaque red cornsyrup. It actually made me think. All those movies(and earlier works of mine) that I critisized actually looked real. Cornsyrup, even when it is completely opaque on screen, doesn't have that PAINT look. that's the great thing about it. The bad thing, getting it to act like blood and getting the other colors(besides the red). The brown I was talking about isn't too over powering. If you add too much green it can neutralize the red.
the brown(now from the whiskey which I use) is only visible in smaller amounts. remember what I said, as the amount gets smaller, the yellow becomes more visible and the rusted orange appears. The RUSTED color comes from the brown. Without it, it is a bright orange which looks kinda strange. The only time you might have problems with my or dick smith's recipe being to bright, is if you use an outdated filmstock. Even then it won't be as big a difference as the 3m blood or flour water mix. If it is completely opaque in life(stage) it will most likely look like paint on screen. I always make it one color, as close to the real color as possible. In well light areas on film, it looks perfect. If it looks different in other lights, then that is the way blood would look in that light. Just how blue did these artists want the blood to be? I bet it wasn't the right color on screen. It really depends on what the blood is made from. cornsyrup, unless COMPLETELY opaque as paint, will look alright if the color is the same shade of red as blood. Cornsyrup is almost impossible to get opaque in life(unless you add paint). Once again out of curiosity, what stage blood was it? I gotta know otherwise this will drive me insane!!!!!another thing... HOW CAN BLOOD LOOK GAY??? |
sheri
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posted 10-14-1999 11:45 AM
Jeff and Gore Master...thanks for your comments. You've given me some food for thought. going to go home and play around with my fake blood and experiment....like i need an excuse! |
Jeff F
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posted 10-16-1999 11:41 AM
I know this is the Low Budget forum, but film tests make a diference, whether for makeup or blood. If you can't afford to shoot a regular film test, how about using the tail end of a reel of film to shoot a test? There is almost always a bit of film too short to get another take at the end of a reel, so have blood dyed to several different colors on hand, and when you get too close to the end of a reel and need to shoot a long shot next, film the blood samples before reloading. This might not be identical lighting conditions to the gore shot, but will give you a starting point, something to gauge the color. If you can devlop and view that reel before the gore sequence is filmed, you have a film test of sorts.------------------
Jeff F - Magic and FX
Amazing the Masses
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