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Topic: A Great (Unusual) Flesh Alternative
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Kinetic Entropy
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posted 05-20-2000 07:03 PM
Oh my god! I found something when I was eating that looks exactly like skin! It is Velveta Mild Mexican cheese. it comes in a fairly large block and can be sculpted!!!!! You could use it for up close shots of things going in to skin and blood coming out. You could even paint it to match skin tones. ITS CHEESILY DELICIOUS!!!!!!! Of course it could NOT work, but that's highly unlikely. This has got to be the greatest discovery in cheese/makeup history. The only reason I put this up is because it's cheap. And it really does look strikingly similar to flesh, and if it is cold, holds it's shape perfectly. You could even mash it into a paste, and use it like a morticians wax or something. (YAY my first topic and it is about cheese!!!!) BUT ONLY!!!! USE the mexican velveta. Any other kind is yellow. (Duh) As stupid as this sounds just look for yourself!  lol |
gore master
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posted 05-20-2000 11:59 PM
interesting. Thanks for sharing with us. Who knows, maybe I'll try it and see what it can be usefull for. I did something very unusuall today. I was making a foam gelatin throat appliance from a mold(for a slit throat effect). I had put it in the freezer. IT sat overnight and I tried seperating the molds this morning. But the negative split in half(tip for today. when making molded appliances of some kind of gelatin, do not let it sit in the freezer. use the fridge).
I was in big trouble. Then I remembered a throat cut I did once with gelatin and tissue. I quickly got the idea. I took a piece of tissue paper and laid it on the positive. I painted a layer of latex on the one side(to seal it). When dried I cut a slit in the middle then reheated some of the foam gelatin and applied over the latex coated side with a q-tip. i did this in layer, made one thin layer, put in the fridge till it was set enough for another layer, then repeated. I eventually got a good thickness and skin. Now I have a generic foam geltin/tissue appliance. This scene is being filmed tommorrow. What I am going to do is first look at how the apppliance fits. Then I will mark on part of it which is to be to the side of her neck(will also be concealed by her hair). I will then mark it and glue the tubing here with pros-adhesive and tape it in the back. Then I will glue down the side of the appliance opposite the tubing. The other side will be glued down the positioned over the tubing at a strategic point. The all the edges around the tubing sealed with adhesive.
Low melt gelatin will be applied around the
edges of the appliances and blend it into the rest of the skin. The actress is to flip her head/neck back in natural reaction as blood is pumped into the wound. I'll tell you how it goes tommorrow and whatever I learn about your new cheese effect |
crazy lou
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posted 05-21-2000 01:26 AM
hmmm, that cheese idea may be really cool for when a zombie has to take a bite out of someone, just layer it over top of a plastic bag filled with "safe" corn syrup blood and chomp away
later
Tom
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Kinetic Entropy
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posted 05-21-2000 12:10 PM
That would be cool, because you could do it in real time or one shot You wouldn't have to do any cuts because you could just make the cheese look like part of the neck, arm, etc. and put blood under it, then just shoot the zombie chomping the neck and blood pouring out, and the cheese will look better than a prostetic anyway because it will be a big bite mark! Not cutting between shots will make it look more real And it's mexicany delicious! |
gore master
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posted 05-21-2000 12:42 PM
I wouldn't neccessarily say it would look better than a prosthetic. some prosthetics can be very lifelike. And for most effects like that you do not have to cut away. Tubing is usually fixed under the appliance to create a bleeding effect. This is a good idea for something along the lines of an arm bite. For the neck I would use tubing to get the right bleeding effect. |
crazy lou
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posted 05-22-2000 12:10 AM
i know, i was just throwing out a potential "cool" usel
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gore master
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posted 05-22-2000 01:42 AM
I know. It can be used probably to an extent.
such as an arm bite or maybe a shoulder or chest(no way the zombie can bite through the rib cage). You may be able to put it on so there is a space in the middle between the
cheese and skin then carefully inject blood into the space. Of course I can't say whether that will work without trying. |
FXMan
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posted 05-22-2000 08:32 AM
Hey Kinetic,You know this is a GREAT idea. Thanks for sharing it. Oddly, this kind of thing is right under our noses all the time and too many people fail to take note of what's "handy" to use for various things. Even Dick Smith, who one time, was looking for a realistic way to create a vampire bite to the neck prosthetic for some film he was doing, was struggling with ways to do the effect. He tried all the ways "traditionally" he could think of like sculpting but in the end grabbed a steak that his wife was about to cook for dinner, put in a set of fake fangs and took a nice bite into this raw steak. Then he went and made a mold of this and what resulted was an extremely realistic looking bite mark. This is a good idea and you know if your effects don't work using this, well you can always grab a box of crackers and have a little snack with it in the end. Thanks. FXMan |
Kinetic Entropy
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posted 05-22-2000 02:01 PM
I try my hardest. I would like to thank the folks at velveeta for making this oscar possible, I couldn't have done it without your sweet sweet mexican cheese..... (End dream sequence)Oh whoops. I got a little ahead of myself...lol AND! If anyone makes a documentary on Loreina Bobbit you can use good old Ball Park Franks! ( I am refraining from the plump when you cook them thing..) [This message has been edited by Kinetic Entropy (edited 05-22-2000).] |
Jeff F
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posted 05-23-2000 02:24 AM
Let's keep it clean...I don't see the foam latex industry collapsing because of this discovery, but it is always good to have a few unusual tricks up your sleeve. A number of special make up FX have their roots in food - gelatin, methylcellulose, corn syrup, bread crumbs (used with liquid latex). ------------------
Jeff F - Magic and FX
Amazing the Masses |
Ivan
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posted 05-23-2000 12:29 PM
ugh, a big mouthfull of mild mexican velveeta, I dunno. Its a groovy idea, just have to make sure the actors wont puke from the taste, ey. course, hey, its prolly no worse than the taste of any other spfx stuff, huh. Ivan ------------------
Belly buttons - For the same reason your dryer has a lint trap. |
chow
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posted 05-24-2000 09:40 PM
i think that is pretty cool, and i agree totally that if all else fails or if you need some quick REALLY cheap effects like i do, then using household products and stuff at the groccery store works sufficiently. to add to this id like to recomend hershey's strawberry syrup for use as blood when you need a quick non toxic solution that won't stain skin. it also has a nice thick but runny consistancy. i used it fairly excessively in a video i did for school, and i got great audience reaction. besides, if you look at the ingredients it is basically corn syrup and dye, similiar to many of the recipes here. i figure you could go to one of those price clubs that sell economy sized boxes of stuff and buy a ton odf it for cheap------------------
ChowYfat |
crazy lou
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posted 05-24-2000 09:45 PM
you should always think cheap and simple...if you can do something you're getting paid for cheaper, that translates into more $ for you.before gore goes ballistic, the hersheys thing, with some additional dyes or food coloring might be a good cheap alternative for those areas of the world where corn syrup isnt availabe, thin it down just a little too l
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gore master
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posted 05-24-2000 10:10 PM
Thin it down for pumping effects maybe. Just add dyes to it for the right color and maybe an opaquener. But only water it down for certain effects. I think I'm going to get some tommorrow and tell you the results. |
thehellmage
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posted 12-11-2000 07:31 PM
I'm gonig to drag this subject back up to the top for all the newbies here. THis cheeze is amazing!!! i made a mold for my zombie film of my hand to cast in latex as a prob but i ran out of lates and i found this subject at likeastory. i went out to the dairy shop and bought some of this cheeze! I melted it and brushed it into the mold then remelted and did another until it was a pretty thin but slightly surable half a hand i did the other side of the mold then put them to gether with some more hot cheeze. i filled wt with blood carefully wrapped it and put it in the fridge till cool then had the zombie chomp on it!
Amazing effect with some cheeze and corn syrup, food coloring!------------------
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Big Al
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posted 12-11-2000 11:20 PM
To Goremaster.... Your negative split? Did you reinforce it at all? If not, I would suggest a layer of hemp fiber reinforcement, or possibly a few layers of loose weave burlap. You may say "Hey, I'm not baking it....why do I need burlap?" but I've been in the position more than once where I've had to dismiss some dolt working for me (who is holding a mold that busted in two, trying to justify why the mold didn't need reinforcement) "My response? If it didn't need reinforcement, then it's merely an illusion that it's broken? You are rationalize your idiocy. Leave before it spreads." |
gore master
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posted 12-12-2000 04:27 PM
Big Al,
I don't see how that is called for(remember this post is very old). The mold was fairly strong, however not a very thick one. I used
a plaster hardener which still wasn't enough.
When the gelatin was poured and put in the freezer it kinda held the negative on there with a kind of suction. The freezer was what really did it and it made a clean crack at a weak point in the center. I was doing a lot of new things when I made that mold and appliance and it was good that it failed somewhat to remind that just about every rule must remain and showed me new things to look out for. There is more about it but I'm not going to "justify" anything and it has been a LONG time and a lot has happened since then(just just as far as make-up is concerned). One thing I would have is do a better job at creating the negative and probably drill an escape hole through the middle of the positive just to help(the curvature and shape had some help in the suction created in the freezer). I'm not sure how I was justifying my mistake but this was a while ago and I was trying many new things, and TESTING certain ideas and such by doing this. This was not for a big production. It was for practice and I am glad there was some failure to it since I was able to learn many different things from this even long after. |
