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blue
posted 12-10-2000 01:14 AM              
hello, i`m so happy in here.
my english skill is not good. so,i want you guess what i asking.
i got a several questions for job.
now, i will work in pics that will be great.
but i gat some matters what is f/x make up.
i know me that make scars,burns,bullets,masks
but i been`t have a experience except beauty make up. so i`m afraid of being looser.
director want me make that masks like real face (like "mission impossible" tom cruise` face) he want change actor to another actor
how can sculpture like a real face. anyone have a secrets of sculpture.
what material is best for mask, form latex or jelatin. he want a shot that is one moment: peel off mask very real."mission impossible2" bad guy peel off mask that is tom cruise` face, i`m sure it was mask+CG effect, he want a real.how can i make a this.

and, bullet hits on middle of head, what is best ways:does button stuff great on film.

and i have to make a killer who have a scar & a white eye like monster, can i paint color on contects if it would be used before.
if not, how can i buy? or knock the doctor .
which is best effect for that.
scar-gelatin peice is good or collodium scar have real?
above of question is very important to me why this is a my first film work.
i hope to make up great, thank for read, good bye everyone, i`m waiting for answer

gore master
posted 12-10-2000 11:50 AM              
unless you have experience in sculpting there isn't much we can do. foam latex would probably be best for a pull over mask instead of gelatin. the button under derma wax can work fine for bullet hits. to find out about contacts, go to your local optrician(eye doctor) and ask. you can use a gelatin appliance or collodion for scars. It depends on the scar you are doing, and what would work best for you.

Jeff F
posted 12-11-2000 12:29 AM              
Remember that in movies you can show things that are not actually possible in real life! They love to show spies doing incredible make up jobs that would never work in the real world.

A "pull-off" mask is a special effect that really won't work in the real world. The way this is usually done is to use the real actor to play the part and reach down and start to peel off a mask starting down at the neck. Next you cut to a shot of the second actor who is supposed to be the person pretending to be the first person. This actor is already in the act of removing a mask (that can resmble the other actor) that you don't get a very good look at. What Mission Impossible did was use CGI to elimate the obvious cut between shots. You still have one actor changing into another onscreen - the computer trick is to make it look like it is one actor removing a mask.

Here are some of the problems with trying to do this special effect "for real":

1) Unless the second person happens to have a smaller face that is very similar in bone structure to the first person, you aren't going to be able to make a life cast of one actor and just slip it over the second actor. Unless you painted in a very thin layer of liquid latex, a rubber cast of an actor's own face wouldn't fit him - the thickness would start distorting it!

2) You could use a lifecast of the disguised actor and sculpt an amazingly accurate copy of the first person' face over it and make a mask from a mold of that.

If you're that amazing of a sculptor that you can reproduce a person's face in that amount of detail and alter the scale and proportions unnoticeably to fit over another person's face then get out of movies! Someone that phenomenally talented can make more money, much faster outside of the movie business.

3) For any prosthetic to move properly with the skin, it has to be glued down securely. Medical adhesives of various types are usually used, and these really stick well. Very strong glue is used around areas where the edges are likely to peel up like near the mouth. A "pull off" mask is essentially a full face prosthetic, and it would have to be glued down very securely to move anything remotely like real skin. When people remove them in the movies, these magical masks peel off like they are held on with a few spots of school glue! Anyone who has watched an actor swab their face with adhesive remover and pull and stetch and curse while they try to get their false face off at the end of a day of shooting laughs when they see spies peel off their super realistic masks one handed with almost no effort.

Don't be worried - directors ask for all kinds of impossible things - the less they know about effects, the crazier their requests can be. Part of the job of FX people (including make up FX people) is to tell tham what can be done, how much it is going to cost (there are some things to do that are very hard and cost a fortune to do) and when it is simply impossible. You can create almost any effect imaginable, but the director is going to have to let you cut away one or more times during the effect, or shoot it from a certan angle or in a certain way, or use CGI to enhance what physically can't be done.

Good luck, and please tell us what you end up doing and how it goes.

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Jeff F - Moderator
Magic and FX
Amazing the Masses

Jeff F
posted 12-11-2000 12:40 AM              
Trying to leap into special FX make up is a very hard thing to do - you may need to find someone experienced in this to work with you on this. It takes practice to learn to do these things well.

Gelatin with little or no water in the formula makes very realistic, flexible scars. Collodion works, but you will have to paint it on in exactly the same way for every day of shooting, which can be tricky even when you work from a photograph of the first day's shooting.

Absolutely DO NOT try to paint on a contact lens! If you aren't correctly trained in making them and also use the proper materials made specifically for this, you risk causing damage to the person's eye! The best thing to do is to get the actor measured for contact lenses and order custom contacts. I do not know if you can buy them in your part of the world easily or if you will have to order them from another country. You may face import fees and restrictions - so you should order these early. There are places where you can order inexpensive special effects contacts (Wild Eyes, etc) but these are "one size fits all" - designed to fit the majority of people well enough. I'm not terribly fond of these, but they are cheap.

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Jeff F - Moderator
Magic and FX
Amazing the Masses

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blue
posted 12-11-2000 03:11 AM              
thanks for your kindness.


what about air brush work, if it possible
how can i attatch a eye brow on the mask.
spirit gum used for it or another ways.
must do eye brow work on it.
i got so many ask to you, appreciate your kindness.
ps- how much lens cost,and i will working 3 months: just f/x make-up( include 3 masks)
how much take total pay from pics in there.
i have to estmate & deal


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Thea
posted 12-11-2000 08:39 AM              
Attach eyebrows to the mask with latex.
How's your budget?

I would go with the gelatin for the scars. There's a good formula in back issue of Makeup Artist Magazine #21.
You could probably find a place on the internet for the contacts. Wild Eyes is the cheapest and most easily found contacts available.

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Thea
www.stagedoorstudios.com

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