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Topic: need ideas for onstage bullit to the head
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SaintGiles
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posted 12-22-2000 10:25 AM
i need to create an illusion of a bullet exit wound in the back of the head, caused by a bullit through the mouth. but i have to do it live on stage so it can't be to combersome or visible of a system so that the audience doesn't see it, any ideas would be greatly appreciated |
Cinetech
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posted 12-22-2000 04:10 PM
A good start would be to buy a can of "Dust Off" with the metal nozzle attachment and then get some plastic tubing from the hardware store that will fit the nozzle snugly. If you take a small nasal spray bottle or better yet, a small "Visine" bottle (They are even smaller)and cut off the applicator end, then attach the tubing with a good amount of Duct Tape and with a razor or exacto, cut a 1 inch sqare into the face of the bottle (Be sure not to cut throught and damage the other side), so now the air blast will go up the tube, but be deflected outward. The Dust off should be concealed under the performer's clothes, with the tube and bottle running up his/her back. Right before the performer is to go on, pour blood into the opened 1 inch square that you cut, and cover it with a layer of Scotch Tape so that it is air tight.
I would watch out if you are putting a metal or even a hard plastic gun in someone's mouth.Be careful that they don't damage thier teeth. |
Movieman21
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posted 12-22-2000 04:27 PM
An easy way to do this, without having to conceal all kinds of appliances on the actor, what you could do is this:
Have the actor who is being shot facing the audience. Have the shooter walk in front of him (but slightly of to the side, so that the victum can still be partially seen.) Have him stick the gun(carefully)in the victums mouth. When the gun is supposed to go off, play a loud gunshot style sound effect, and flash the lights brighter then back down to normal.
Behind the victum, make sure that there is a white, or off-white walls, or other set piece.
Have behind the victum, or concealed in something that he is standing in front of, either a compressed air hose with a blood bag attached to the end, or some other method of propelling a thin blood-like substance.
When the gun shot goes off, have the blood spray onto the white surface behind the actor. Then have him slump to the floor, and the gunman move slightly away. The audience will be able to see the blood splattered all over the wall.
You do not need to actually have his head gushing blood, because once he falls to the floor, the audience will not see it anyway.------------------
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multimedia light & magic
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posted 12-22-2000 08:24 PM
i saw something like this in another post...i think gore master was talking about using a paintball-type gun with balls injected with "blood".you'd have to be a good shot to pull it off though. hehe.  |
gore master
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posted 12-23-2000 12:30 AM
in the on camera forum there is an old post which describes the way I do bullet hits. YES
it says to use dust off. The tubing is rigged a certain way(easier to rig then the above method) sp it can be set up quickly and resused over and over without creating a new blood bag, etc. check through some of the older(but more recent) bullet hit posts in the mentioned forum. |
SlipperyGlue
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posted 12-23-2000 04:30 AM
We are all forgetting one very important aspect, the sound has to seem as though it came from the gun or in that area. It cat come from speakers mounted in the walls of the auditorium or wherever! The safest way is the way that the others have told you.. with compressed air and tubing etc. The only other way, which is very dangerous especially since it would be close to the head, would be to have a squib <deleted>. VERY DANGEROUS... DONT EVEN TRY IT! Just go with the compressed air hit!Slippery Glue Productions
(tomorrows films, today) [This message has been edited by Jeff F (edited 12-23-2000).] |
undead
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posted 12-23-2000 06:55 AM
In my opinion, a compressed air system would be much too cumbersome and difficult to hide from a live audience.
I think you should use moist soap to lay the actor's hair flat against the scalp and paint the area red with a dark center, implying a deep hole. A hair covered latex skin flap tugged from the area on a monofilament line should be sufficient to suggest the exit wound...if you want some spray you could experiment with a button super glued to a thin blood pack under the flap.
Whatever you do, DO NOT USE PAINTBALLS! Paintballs are very dangerous when used without the proper protective equipment (such as a goggle system which passes ASTM standards) and anyone who fires a paintball at an unprotected person as a safe alternative to squibs is a complete and total moron! Over five hundred morons blew their buddy's eyeball out last year, and I don't think anybody here wants to be one of them. |
gore master
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posted 12-23-2000 12:22 PM
Well the person is most likely going to have there back away from the audience(which is the idea I got). The compressed air rigging I spoke of is just as easy to conceal as tubing. A can of dust-off is easy to hide on stage(even by the actor who is getting shot).
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Jeff F
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posted 12-23-2000 05:41 PM
2 piece hollow shell "Paintballs" are fine for Zirc or dust hits on scenery, not acceptable for firing at an actor without eye protection.If your costumer is any good at all, you can use compressed air solutions unless you are doing a pantomime piece with actors all clad simply in leotards. As a magician I routinely produce bottles from Sobe size up to wine bottles that start out hidden on my person long before the trick. Trickline and a hair flap, the wax covered button trick (yanked by the actor playing the victim himself), the collapsing actor with blood appearing on the set (a sponge soaked in stage blood will do the trick) will all work. Budget, your experience, and the script (off stage time, where in a scene the effect happens) will all influence the choice you make. All the solutions can look good or bad depending on how well they are accomplished. Testing, refinement, and practice will make a good deal of difference in your success regardless of the method. ------------------
Jeff F - Moderator
Magic and FX
Amazing the Masses |
SaintGiles
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posted 12-23-2000 06:25 PM
Yes the actor will be facing the audience when he gets shot, but he will also be the shooter as well. My largest problem with the compressed air systems is how well can i hide the blood bottle seeing how the actor spends a large amount of time on stage before the gun shot, and i don't want the audience to notice any of the rigging before it's used |
Movieman21
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posted 12-23-2000 08:59 PM
Have a set piece behind the actor, like a desk or something large. When the "shot" goes off, have the blood be sprayed upwards, at the height of the actors head, onto the white or near white set pieces. Be sure to make your blood bright, so that it will be seen by the audience. You can actually have the air supply off stage, and just run an air tube up the leg of the desk, and possition the spraying end on the back of the desk, with the opening facing up at an angle, and towards the white set piece.Just be sure to have the actor point the gun, in the direction that the blood will fly. ------------------
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Jeff F
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posted 12-24-2000 01:55 AM
Make sure Not to use a blank gun (or starter's pistol) for the gun. Blank guns are dangerous at distances of less than 4 feet.------------------
Jeff F - Moderator
Magic and FX
Amazing the Masses |
Cinetech
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posted 12-26-2000 06:22 PM
Hiding a can of dust off under clothing is not a difficult thing at all. For "The Vampyr Theatre" in New York, I rigged hundreds of actors over the 6 years that held performances, with many different rigs that they wore unnoticed throughout the entire scene. It was a constant challenge and very rewarding experience for me to pull off tricks like that in "Intimate Staging" situations. In movies, you are able to hide just out of camera range for a shot, but on stage, a successful effect like that is all the more dramatic. Just be sure that you control the blood so that it doesn't spray on the audience. The Producers of the Vampyr Theatre were handed people's cleaning bills on many occasions during it's run. | |
