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Topic: Stigmata, blood dripping off eye
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ChrisDR12
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posted 12-23-2000 08:30 PM
In the movie Stigmata, PAtricia arquette cries blood in a scene. How did they do that? I wanna achieve the same effect. |
Movieman21
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posted 12-23-2000 08:55 PM
While on the subject oh highly religious based movies on good and evil, let me just be one of the first to say that Dracula 2000 kicked ass. Finally, a movie that offers a decent explanation of where and when, exactly Dracula came from.As far as your question goes, what I would do is fill a visine type bottle up with a safe blood mixture, one that if it actually gets in your actors eye, wont hurt it.I would suggest water and red food dye. When your actor needs to "cry", just have him/her conceal the bottle in their hand. Then have him/her pretend to wipe their eyes, or just put their hand to their face, or burry their face in their hands. Then just have him/her squirt some of the stuff right next to their eye(s), enough so tat it will run down their cheek. Hope this helps. P.S. - If you are using a digital camera, then you really dont have to worry too much about the blood showing up, but if you are using film, then you need the blood to either be real dark, or real bright. It has to contrast the actors skin. Usually, darker is better. And if using black and white film, then the blood needs to be VERY dark, in fact, not realy RED at all, more a dark brown. ------------------
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multimedia light & magic
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posted 12-23-2000 11:42 PM
lol, try and use red dye and you might end up with 'pink eye'. hehe.or, try it cgi maybe? i magine that would be a hard phsical effect to acheive. why not animate it kinda like they did when the mirror that neo touched on the matrix grew over his arm, put more of a stream-flow? just an idea. |
Jeff F
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posted 12-24-2000 01:46 AM
Just make sure not to put anything directly in your eye that isn't:
1) Sterile
2) Formulated to go in the eye.You might try a bit of the thinner type of eye blood, and allow it to settle to the bottom of the eyelid, then have the actor cry. ------------------
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gore master
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posted 12-24-2000 03:06 PM
first off blood isn't dark(not fresh blood at least). A stage blood that is 2-3 shades darker than real blood would be recommended.
Ridiculously dark blood on film will only look like, well, ridiculously dark blood. |
Big Al
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posted 12-25-2000 12:18 AM
Please don't put food coloring in someone's eye. That would be bad |
DigiteyeZ
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posted 12-26-2000 03:26 AM
another thing, i don't know if you care to be this accurate, but although noone ever cries straight blood, in cases of extremely high stress it has been noted that people's tears contained a mixture of blood. it's not all blood, but partly tears and partly blood. if this was what you wanted, then you'd want a different, thinner tear solution. |
gore master
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posted 12-26-2000 12:24 PM
The eye blood would probably give that look.
Also there have been cases where people overdose on certain drugs containing antihistamine(coricidin cough and cold imparticular) and have had bleeding from the eyes. |
Cinetech
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posted 12-26-2000 06:31 PM
Red food coloring in particular, can cause severe problems if used in the eyes. Kryolan "Eye Blood" is your only choice for this effect. I used it in a film once for a girl who cried blood and it worked beautifully. As Jeff said, I waited for it to settle for about 5 minutes, so that you could only see a slight red banding over her lower lid, and when she welled up during the scene, we got it in one take. |
lyvewyer
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posted 12-26-2000 07:41 PM
ok, all these posts are in theory great, but no-one has even touched down on a reasonable effect in my opinion. so i came up with a simple obvious technique. just get some very small, preferably flat or oval shaped tubing, and then conceal it under some fake skin. run it around to the back of the actors head, and then just pump some blood through it. i think this calls for a booyah. BOOYAH!------------------
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I think your opinion of your own opinion is over rated. 
The eye blood approach is a lot faster and less hassle than creating and applying an appliance so well that it is invisible and unsuspected on camera. In theory it certainly does work, it's just harder than you think.
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gore master
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posted 12-27-2000 12:40 AM
BOO-YA?
try again. It's easy to say "conceal tubing under fake skin" but it isn't that easy. Do you even know WHAT you are talking about? What FAKE SKIN would you be speaking of? how do you plan to put it on and cover the eye? will it look like a mound of flesh where the person's eye should be? how will the blood flow from it and how will you insure the blood won't also het into the subjects real eye(closing their eyelid won't protect them completely)? try again,
this time actually THINK of a solid idea. So far by what you gave and insulting the other ideas you are just making yourself look dumb. |
Buddy
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posted 12-29-2000 01:42 AM
Jeff if he tried your aproach wouldn't the blood apear pink instead of red? I don't think the fake skin idea would work either. quote:
I suppose if you put a single drop of eye blood in and hosed the person with saline solution or had them cry up a storm it would. I used Kryolan Eye blood on a photographer friend who wanted a blood red eye for a particular shot but she had to settle for a red rimmed eye and some bloody tears running down her cheek, as the eye wouldn't stay coated long enough. Read Cinetech's post above, it would have saved you from having to guess. I'm sure that any number of people here (Cinetech, Fx Man, myself, goremaster) could accomplish the appliance method. I'm sure we've all done it to run blood tubing to areas for slashing & bullet hit effects, it just wouldn't be easy to do on a face to be shown in close up - more exacting work, less chance to cover bad edges. Aside from considerations for the thickness of the piece to accomodate thin tubing, why would this be any harder than any other appliances worn around the eyes? Why the pessimistic guess work, are you having trouble doing some make up FX? Post your problems in this forum and I'm sure someone will offer a helping hand.
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Thea
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posted 12-30-2000 11:02 AM
Definitly don't use red dye. Even makeups with red in them specify not to use near eye. Use Eye Blood.
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Nerstone_Pictures
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posted 12-31-2000 02:41 AM
Photoshop has a tool that will tint areas of the picture a certain color, rather than just paint over it, so dark and light stays the same, but the overall color is changed. I forget what it is called, but you probably know what I'm talking about. Anyway, you could open a filmstrip format of the clip in photoshop and color in real tears (or water or whatever) red. Sure it would be a pain to do this, but rotoscoping builds character. And it would save the actor the trouble of having food coloring or some other potentially dangerous substance in his/her eye.
Just a thought. |
Buddy
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posted 12-31-2000 10:58 PM
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