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Topic: mics
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amittman
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posted 01-20-2001 12:21 AM
hey...I am filming a movie on a GL1 for school and I may not have someone to carry a boom. I actually may have someone to carry a boom half the time, but for the other half, what can I do to get a decent clean sound??? I want something that can get some local sounds rather than just dialogue... Any suggestions??? |
Prism
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posted 01-20-2001 12:51 AM
The built-in stereo mic on the GL1 should be adequate. If you really want to get another mic to pick up ambient sound, look for a low impedance cardioid mic. (Don't bother with an omni. A cardioid microphone will pick up sounds from all over the place.)Good brands:
Audio-Technica
Beyerdynamic
Shure
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posted 01-20-2001 12:56 AM
shure is sweet!! i have one of the old ones they use to use in some radio stations, like the ones you see in music videos, looks like a big box shaped silver apple? ok, bad description, but you know...but i plugged it into my sony camcorder, and man, picked up dialogue perfectly, and just anice mix of bg noise.shure if you have the money.
audio technica has good sound too.
or radioshack. j/k!!  |
Prism
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posted 01-20-2001 03:56 AM
YOU have one of the old 55 series Shure dynamic mics?? I always wanted one of those! They're so... nostalgic. They aren't too expensive either. I guess the modern equivalent is the SM57.But anyway... Yeah.
Actually Radio Shack mics aren't too horrible in comparison to a lot of the detestable Peavey mics on the market. I have two (now discontinued) of their condenser mics. Not bad for the price, and they're Low-Z. I've used them on lots of things and they almost always sound great. 'Course, now I'm spoiled with this one big nice mic I spent a fortune on. Oh well. Isaiah ------------------
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posted 01-20-2001 09:55 AM
lol prism.radioshack mics, i have found out doing the sound system at my church, are surprisingly durable. we have one RS mic, the organist doesn't want to get rid of, and its been beaten around like a little bastard, and it still works. |
dss
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posted 01-22-2001 10:36 PM
Is the ATR 55 a good mic for its cost? I have a Digital8 w miniplug input, so its compatiable. I am hearing mixed reviews about the mic. They say its very noisy, is this true?Also, I know its shotgun, would a person standing 10 ft. from the mic, sound close, almost like a lapel mic? Here is a place (from 1999) on mic tests: http://www.bealecorner.com/trv900/mictest/mictest.html
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dss
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posted 01-24-2001 01:04 PM
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Prism
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posted 01-24-2001 05:40 PM
He also said the Radio Shack 33-3017 mics are noisy. I own two of them and they are fine. Audio-Technica definitely makes better stuff than Radio Shack anyway, so I'm guessing you would probably be quite happy with any AT product.Isaiah ------------------
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dss
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posted 01-26-2001 11:56 AM
Hmm.. I recently bought some camera stuff ($300 worth). For audio I got the Sony 908C external (has shoe mount adapter) mic for $80. Its decent and is stereo but cannot pick up sounds well (like speech) from 10ft. away. I do a lot of interviews, and starting to do parties and I want the audio to sound like its upclose. Will the ATR 55 shotgun mic do this well? Has anyone checked how far the mic can pick up? I'd like to know. I like that it has a pistol grip attachment so its not part of the camera and won't pick up camera motor's noise. How long is the cable? Also, I have an AZDEN Cam 3 mini mixer with 3 miniplug inputs and 1 output to the camera. You can fade in & out the audio. Does anyone have this and like it? I don't have enough mics to try yet. Last, I am trying to make a boom mike with a pole. I need a stereo mic (probably omnidirectional) that has a long miniplug cord (like 6-10ft.) and has good quality. Any recommendations? Even last (arg..), I got a Sony Tie Tac ECM-T6 and it has great quality but such a short cord, like 2 feet. Does anyone recommend any long (6-10ft.) corded lapel/tie tac mics that are stereo, miniplug, and have decent quality? Thanks for all your help! -DSS ------------------
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Prism
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posted 01-26-2001 12:45 PM
What do you plan on using the boom mic (omni) for? In most cases, I find a nondirectional mic extremely noisy and overmodulated.Isaiah ------------------
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dss
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posted 01-26-2001 03:15 PM
Hmm, I then need to get a Unidirectional (which is regular directional, right?) mic. ------------------
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Prism
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posted 01-26-2001 05:40 PM
Welllll... it depends. What do you need it for? Either way I probably wouldn't recommend an omni. But if you have an idea of what you'll be doing with it, I could suggest the right kind of mic for you. Isaiah ------------------
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posted 01-27-2001 11:25 AM
I mostly be needing it in mobile speech. Like I'm following two of three people talking to each other. I might also be dong parties where people are trying to say something, but don't want the loud backround noises interferring.
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Prism
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posted 01-27-2001 07:44 PM
Isolation is the key when you want to reduce background noise. a highly directional (hyper/supercardioid) mic would be the best choice, but you have to pay special attention to how you use the mic. The reason background noise is a problem with omni and cardioid mics is because they don't have a tight enough pattern, and they end up receiving sound reflections from walls, ceilings, etc. That's where a shotgun mic is special - it closes in on a specific area, so there is much less reflection from other sounds. KnowwhatImean?
Anyway, I think you want a shotgun mic. I couldn't tell you which specific model to choose, because I just haven't tried them, but I think you'd be pleased with some of Audio-Technica's line of shotgun mics. I believe Sennheiser and Beyerdynamic may also have some decent ones out there. I believe AKG also makes a microphone with interchangable capsules (kind of expensive) but it's nifty because you can actually change microphone "heads" and use the same mic body with all the different capsules, thus essentially turning one mic into several! I thought it was rather innovative. Isaiah |
dss
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posted 01-28-2001 05:37 PM
I'm planning to get the ATR 55, so that's good. What about the other mics I needed to know about? (see above 6 posts) ------------------
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Prism
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posted 01-28-2001 06:04 PM
If you like your tie-clip mic, you might be able to get an extension cord for it. You could even make one out of items you can buy at Radio Shack. Alternatively, you could connect it to a wireless transmitter link (Radio Shack sells them, although I'm not sure how well they perform... check eBay.)
But it lets you connect a plain old microphone to a transmitter. Then all you'll need is a receiver. If you just wanna start over, I think Shure makes some rather nice wireless systems. The mics themselves are extremely small, although the transmitters are a little larger. But they sound decent. I'm not sure if they make cordless receivers for mobile use, so you might check out some other models. The brands I mentioned previously should have a variety of tie-clip mics. Also check out Samson's line of wireless products. And try to save money! Check eBay and recycler.com for used gear. There are some bargains out there.Isaiah ------------------
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Prism
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posted 01-28-2001 06:09 PM
If you like your tie-clip mic, you might be able to get an extension cord for it. You could even make one out of items you can buy at Radio Shack. Alternatively, you could connect it to a wireless transmitter link (Radio Shack sells them, although I'm not sure how well they perform... check eBay.)
But it lets you connect a plain old microphone to a transmitter. Then all you'll need is a receiver. If you just wanna start over, I think Shure makes some rather nice wireless systems. The mics themselves are extremely small, although the transmitters are a little larger. But they sound decent. I'm not sure if they make cordless receivers for mobile use, so you might check out some other models. The brands I mentioned previously should have a variety of tie-clip mics. Also check out Samson's line of wireless products. And try to save money! Check eBay and recycler.com for used gear. There are some bargains out there.Isaiah ------------------
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dss
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posted 01-29-2001 01:58 AM
I have a Radio Shack miniplug extension cable (about 15ft.) but it makes the audio only mono, instead of stereo. Why does it do that?
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Prism
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posted 01-29-2001 02:53 AM
Hmm.. is it a stereo mic?
The reason it would do that (assuming the mic is stereo) is because the output plug for the mic is mini-TRS (Tip Ring Sleeve) which provides for two "hot" signals (Left and Right) with a common ground/neutral. Your extension cord is probably only TS (Tip, Sleeve) in which case, only one distinct signal can travel through. You'd have to get a TRS extension to get stereo.Isaiah ------------------
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dss
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posted 01-29-2001 04:02 AM
Does Radio Shack have this extension?
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Prism
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posted 01-29-2001 02:33 PM
They should. Even if they don't, it's a cinch to make one from parts that I'm sure are available at RS.Just ask them if they have any 1/8" stereo extension cables. Isaiah ------------------
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