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Topic: Ok, I need advice on a non-linear setup here...any input is appreciated...
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Jack
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posted 04-13-1999 04:56 PM
I need different advice and suggestions. 1 - What kind of SCSI drive is best for non-linear editing? 2 - I'm seriously considering going with a Gateway computer. Is this a good choice for editing? If not, any suggestions? I would prefer getting an IBM-compatable. 3 - What is a really good video card? (not a capture card) 4 - What is a really good sound card? also, I'm thinking of getting the MiroDC30 Plus. Is this a good card? Thank you for your time *HINT* *HINT* ------------------
movies wouldn't be movies without the SPECIAL EFFECTS!
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Jason S
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posted 04-13-1999 06:29 PM
I use the miroDC30plus card, its a good card I havent had any problems with it. You might want to look into the Medea VideoRaid drives, www.medeacrop.com------------------
Jason S
30FPS Productions
members.aol.com/bgbdhummer
fxgoinghot@aol.com [This message has been edited by Jason S (edited 04-13-99).] |
Andrew
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posted 04-14-1999 03:25 PM
I also have the miroDC30plus, its a great card and have had no problems. I bought a Dell computer, and it too has had no problems. Make sure you get a fast hard drive when working with video. Also some programs want a lot of RAM when rendering. Good luck. |
Jack
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posted 04-24-1999 08:02 PM
Also, does anyone know the difference of the DC30 Plus and the DC30 Pro?------------------
movies wouldn't be movies without the special effects! |
Doug
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posted 04-25-1999 02:37 AM
Jack,1) For scsi drives check out the Seagate Barracuda and Cheetah (cheetah's better).
If you've got the scratch, the next step up would be the Media VideoRAID drives.
2) Gateway will be good as long you choose the right hardware that's all compatible. That will basically revolve around your DC30+, which is a really good card, btw.
3) Check out the STB Velocity 4400 w/ AGP. Great video card and not expensive at all. A REALLY good card would be an Oxygen BMX ($1500), RPM ($900), or their lower range card, close to the 4400, the ACX ($???). The O2's are mainly used for heavy graphics work, like CAD, Lightwave, and 3D StudioMax. Only get an O2 of you're gonna be doing that kind of stuff or if you've got the money to throw at it.
4) Sound Blaster AWE 64, AWE 64 Gold, Live!,
or a recent Turtle Beach sound card. Again, make sure it's compatible with your system, especialy your cap card. I know that the AWE 64 is compatible with the DC30+. I hope this all helps. -Doug |
Red Five
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posted 04-25-1999 06:10 AM
I have a Turtle Beach, and it works great. But you don't need a SCSI hard drive unless you're planning on building a real-time editor that costs thousands and thousands of dollars. Save the cash and get some huge IDE drives by Maxtor or IBM, then put them together on a Fasttrack RAID card. The total cost is about the same as for a SCSI drive half the size, and it's faster than almost any video capture card on the market can output anyway. Especially if you decide to go with a digital card and camera, in which case the max throuput will never get near a Fasttrack RAID. Good luck!Red Five
BH6 w/ Cel 300A 64 RAM
20GB IBM harddrives on Fasttrack
Rainbow Runner Studio capture card |
jaleeb caru
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posted 04-25-1999 10:44 AM
DC30+ includes the Deko title software and Premiere 5.x. Pro also includes a breakout box (basically an extention cord so you don't have to climb behind the computer to jack in video). Also, it includes a smart rendering program for Premiere that allows you to render altered video by only reconfiguring the altered portions of your work, rather than the entire peice (it saves alot of time). I think it also includes the sound program, Acid. |
Jack
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posted 04-25-1999 01:06 PM
so it's just basically just an updated version of the DC30 Plus?------------------
movies wouldn't be movies without the special effects! |
Relentless Films
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posted 04-25-1999 02:05 PM
The only differences I could see between the DC30+ and DC30pro is that the
1.) pro comes with a breakout box, like the Buz, so you don't have to plug it directly into the card in the back of the computer. 2.) The pro comes with Premiere 5.1, and the plus comes with 5.0, which is useless because the update to 5.1 is free.
3.) It also comes with one more program, a sound editor.
You can go to: http://www.pinnaclesys.com/dc30pro to find out more.As for a hard drive, I would suggest getting the DiamondMax Plus 5120.
http://www.maxtor.com/diamondmaxplus/5120.html
It's an IDE drive, and is 20 gigs. Only cost me $400. It's set up specially to be used for video purposes, so it can meet the high speed standards needed for non linear editing.
If you need any more help, you can e-mail me.
relentlessfilms@tmbg.org |
Robotic Dream
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posted 04-25-1999 02:23 PM
Jack,When Building my Perception RT editing system, I made the mistake of buying a computer first, then the cards, which wasn't a wise thing to do. Go to the Miro site and look at the required host system setup, as well as the recommended setup. That should help you with your computer choices (at least the motherboard choices). I think the Miro works with just about anything, though. Also, go to DPS.com and look up their Edit Bay product, which is their answer to the Miro DC30 Plus. I don't own it, but I trust DPS and their products. I've been using them since the Amiga/Par days. Good luck! |
Tn
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posted 04-25-1999 04:12 PM
Here are my two cents on the sound and video card part:
For sound I would recommend either SB Live(value for just a good sound card or full if you do MIDI stuff and really want good sound tools) or Diamond's MX300(something like that). SB Live is about $175 and value for $80, not sure about Diamond's card.
For video if you can wait a few months the TNT2 or Matrox G400 would be a good choice. |
Doug
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posted 04-25-1999 04:52 PM
Depending on where you get the DC30plus or pro, the sound software you'll get is Sound Forge XP (or 4.5) from Sonic Foundry, which also makes ACID. It also comes with Pixelan's Video SpiceRack (transitions plug-in for Premiere).
About the hard drives, the IDEs still aren't up to SCSI quality, and if you were to ever upgrade to digital video, you'd definitly have to have a scsi drive to get max performance. As a little added note, the only people I have ever heard suggest IDE drives for NLEs are the two guys on here. I thought of useing IDEs at the begining, then talked with some pros and techs and they all said it wasn't worth it. Research everything, there may be a new IDE out that catches up, like the one Relentless was talking about. You might want to talk with a tech guy at videoguys.com also. They're really knowledgeable and they use all the products they sell including the DC30+. For info and decent prices, also check out dvdirect.com.-Doug |
jaleeb caru
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posted 04-25-1999 06:28 PM
Just wanted to reiterate what Robotic Dream said. Everything should revolve around the capture card you desire. Do not buy anything prior to choosing a card and finding out what it is compatable with. I made the same mistake and it was really costly. Also, the Pro version of DC30 definately comes with a smart rendering program to speed up Premier's rendering time. |
Doug
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posted 04-26-1999 03:51 AM
That "smart rendering program" is called
miroInstant Video. Without it, all of us NT users would still be stuck with the 2G limit. Very snazzy. Canopus has a version of it, also, that's just as good.-Doug |
Jack
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posted 04-26-1999 09:31 AM
Oh yeah, I was definately planning on finding the capture card and making sure i get the right compatible hardware for it. That's the other thing I need to ask, are all the sound/video cards etc. you guys just mentioned compatible and work well with the DC30 Plus/Pro? As far as the drives, I think I'm going to go with a SCSI because I will probably go digital in the near future, and I'd rather not risk it with an IDE. And I know the software differences between the DC30 Plus and Pro. I was just wondering if there is a hardware difference besides the breakout box. If not, I'll probably go with the Pro. Also, on the Pinnacle site I saw that the Pro comes with Sonic Foundry's ACID. Is this a good sound program? Is it as easy to use as they say? Also, I will be using Windows 98. Thanks, guys, for all your help! ------------------
movies wouldn't be movies without the special effects! |
IMonster
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posted 04-26-1999 12:01 PM
Man, aren't there any Mac users? The new Blue G3's are set to go except for software and additional drives. That's it.
www.promax.com
Hey, Think Different 
Thanks for the peecee info though. It's confusing to me because I don't use it. These posts have helped me out a ton! The PC world definatly has more choices, but the end results is what matters. The platform is irrelevant. We all want the same thing. Proffesional results.
Take care--I just had to get my Apple plug in up top
IMonster |
Jack
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posted 04-26-1999 03:25 PM
The 2 main reasons I don't want to go Mac is: I have been using IBM-compatibles all my life, I just don't want ta have to adjust to another platform; and it seems that there is more games and other software made for IBM-compatible. | |
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