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Topic: Need help on freeze frame / flow mo whatever
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Wingnut
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posted 04-27-1999 02:11 PM
Ok. What I'm trying to figure out is how i can have everything in a scene freeze, but still have one person move freely about very briefly. Kinda like the scene with Trinity in the opening scene in the Matrix when she goes to kick one of the cops and everything freezes and circles, but i don't need it to circle. i need a stationary shot with just everything freezing still but allowing my actor to manuver about the environment. I have adobe premiere and photoshop. will probably be purchasing after effects soon. I don't know if these programs would help in any way with the effect im trying to achieve. Oh. Now that i remember more from the movie The Matrix, there is a scene where Morpheus is taking Neo through the fake world sim (the one with all the people walking and the lady in the red dress). Morpheus freezes the scene and then he and Neo walk about the frozen crowd. I NEED TO ACHIEVE THIS SAME EFFECT! |
Stuntman
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posted 04-27-1999 02:57 PM
Bring your checkbook! You use still cameras to capture the freeze, they are all fired together by a computer, Reel EFX does it BUT IT COSTS! To have an actor walk through the freeze you have to composite the two together, cutting out the forground images so he can walk behind them... it ain't easy stuff! |
Helix777
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posted 04-27-1999 03:19 PM
I don't know if this will work for what you want or not but: video tape the actor in front of a blue screen. Then, video tape the scene you want to "freeze". Import the two scenes into editing software. Put the blue screen scene over the background. When you want it to "pause", stop the background scene from moving but keep the blue screen scene playing. This won't work if the actor has to go behind something, though. I hope this post isn't confusing, it is even to me!!  ------------------ Helix Have fun... Make a movie!
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Wingnut
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posted 04-27-1999 07:47 PM
Not bad Johnny, not bad. Your idea would work except in the moments where in the scene i need, the actor passes his arm in front of another "frozen" person. I guess i could write it out of the script. just redo the choreography so that he doesn't fully cross with the other still environment. it is really just a short quick scene. OR. maybe i could have the hand and part of the shirt of the actor covered in blue cloth so it is blocked out by the blue screen and the paused image of the enivronment and other people can be composited over top of it. Have to try something. Owell. Thanks for the killer idea. And thanks stuntman for your post anyway. Actually, if you explain to me how the scene would be done with the method you mentioned that could be of help as well. Thanks! |
Helix777
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posted 04-27-1999 08:49 PM
Jakery, my name ain't Johnny. It's john.------------------ Helix Have fun... Make a movie!
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COS
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posted 04-27-1999 10:05 PM
Your problem with passing someone in the foreground isn't actually that big of a deal. Sometimes we tend to become so blinded by technology that we cant see the forest for the trees. If you watch Matrix very carefully you'll see that when Morpheus freezes the training program the agent with a gun to Neos head is actually just an actor standing still. We get so used to all the "digital" freezing in the rest of the film that when we see the agent frozen we assume it's got to be digital, but if you watch closely enough you can see some very slight movement. Also check out a film called BUFFALO 66, it has a similar effect at the end where the main character goes on a shooting spree. The action freezes as he shoots him self in the head, the camera dollies around him and we see the blood frozen in time as it flies out of his head. No expensive digital trickery. It's just a solid prop of what looks like splattering blood attatched to his head. This film came out just as all this "TIME SLICING/DIGITAL FREEZING" became way too popular. Gallo (the director) Knew that all the examples of digital effects that were floating around would just make his lo-tech shot look that much better by association. Just remember that what matters is how the final shot looks not how you got it to look that way.COS |
Anonymatt
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posted 04-28-1999 04:41 PM
yeah, definitely... in buffalo sixty six, they filmed it high speed so the shakes by the actors would smooth out in the slo-mo.i think we become so amazed with the digitally done stuff just because it is digital. i mean, in matrix, the freezes really look digital. kinda stiff with a (i can't even put my finger on what it really is) 2d-ish look to it. try this. go into your bathroom and get in front of the mirror. freeze, then rotate around on your feet so you just see your upper body moving. kinda look with your eyes. it's uncanny how cool you can make it look. it looks nearly as good as the digital stuff. or try this! this is real rebel guerilla filmmaking stuff! go downtown! get some of those annoying mimes and street performers. give them five bucks to stand still for an hour or to! you'll be happy to do it, i suppose. |
The Explainer
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posted 04-29-1999 10:14 AM
Actually, the day I saw the Matrix, I went home and tried this very same trick, using Photoshop and Premiere. You actually don't need to use a blue screen if the camera is going to be still. Here's how I did it.First I set the camera on a tripod and "locked it down" (meaning I tightened all the pivot & tilt screws sure there was no way for it to accidentally move, or shift.) Next I videotaped the scene I want to have frozen. In my case I just moved a round with a fake knife in hand as if i was going to attack someone, and after a few seconds I lunged forward with the knife. (noone was in the way, and this is the part I wanted frozen. Next, without moving the camera (to play it safe, I didn't even touch the camera) I videotaped the scene where I'd be standing in front of my "evil" self. I made sure to watch where I was standing so that I could overlap the two scenes in motion without crossing them. Once I knew I had taped enough for the attack, I then walked around the room, careful to step "behind" the place I was going to have the frozen "evil self" (I know this is confusing, but bare with me.) I digitized both scenes, and in Premiere selected a frame in the first movie that showed me lunging with the knife. I saved that frame as a pict file and brought it into Photoshop. In Photoshop I simply selected all the parts that I wanted to be able to "go behind" and cut those out as a separate layer. Back in Premiere I setup the "bad guy" footage as the background layer, then I put the "good guy footage as the foreground layer and created a split screen between them, to make it look like I was in the same scene twice. At the point where I wanted the action to freeze, I dropped in the pict image of just my cutout as the top layer and stopped the split screen. Since it was the same room and the same camera angle, the background will look no different. When I was shown walking around the room, it looked like I was walking behind my frozen evil self. If you wanted multiple layers of frozen people (say a few in the background and a few in the foreground), you would need more layers, and then you'd need a bluescreen. Hope this helps. Its a lot easier than it sounds. |
captainfrag
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posted 04-29-1999 03:41 PM
Well i think that all of your ideas are great, but i just have one thing to say. Some shots in that part of the matrix were obviously digitized. Probably not the scene where the guy actually freezes, but the long shots where neo and morpheus are walking around. Look closely at the shadows and the spaces between the people. Like anonymatt siad, it's hard to explain but you can easily tell when things are not right. |
Anonymatt
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posted 04-29-1999 05:03 PM
i understand what the explainer is saying. if the cam perpective does not change, you could basically employ the same concept if you were to take a cardboard stand up of darth vader and walk around him like he's frozen and talk trash. you could dress up like han solo. "who's laughin' now vader?! definitely not you!" there's nothing like bad humor... and by the way, telling if something is done digitally or not is like telling if it's film or not... you just know. matt. |
killer_epidemic
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posted 04-29-1999 09:48 PM
The Explainer Thats a really cool method. Is there a webpage or something that explaines how to do it in more detail? Im new to this premier and photoshop stuff and so I dont understand many of the things you say. But I would realy like to learn to do this effect.  ------------------ when life's tough or dull MAKE A MOVIE!! |
The Explainer
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posted 04-30-1999 09:17 AM
killer_epidemic,A great website to visit is www.dv.com/magazine/index.html. Its the website for DV magazine. There are some great tutorials on there for video compositing, using Adobe products. You may also want to try www.adobe.com. I don't think they have any tutorials on there, but they may have additional articles about using Photoshop & Premiere. Another option is taking a look at the Adobe classrooms in a book for Premiere or Photoshop. They run about 50 bucks, I think, but they give you a good idea of how to use the applications. If you start with a basic knowledge, and just experiment, you'll figure out tricks that work for you. To simplify my method, think of it as putting titles over a video. When you put titles on, its like putting a cutout of a still image over your video. In our case, instead of letters we're using a cutout of a human being (kind of a digital version of the Darth Vader cutout mentioned earlier.). Its the same concept either way. Good luck! | |