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Topic: hi-8mm movies
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LeoD
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posted 06-02-2000 06:48 PM
Ok I've read loads posts of how digital is better and 16mm is even better. You get what u buy for anyway my camera is hi-8mm and that's what I'm going to have to use. So:-How can I edit scenes, say with dialogue, and not lose any speech? If you record on another sound format wont the whole thing be out of sync and look like a dodgy dubbed bruce lee film? Also with lighting would it'd be worth trying to be semi-professional with lighting or just stick to sun and ordinary lights. Any other bits of advice on how to keep the shoot as professional as possible given the limited equipment?? Cheers! |
lyvewyer
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posted 06-02-2000 07:16 PM
always ALWAYS do good lighting, God didnt design sunlight to make our movies look good, he left that part up to us. and using normal lights, unless you want you movie to look like it was shot by a new parent who just got the thing so that they could tape their kid saying "mamma" then i suggest you use some portables or something. try a good three point system. that consists of a soft back-light, to avoid sharp edges on the actors. a direct light, from behind the camera off to the side, to light the actor and give the scene a sense of depth. and finally, a reflected light from the other side of the camera. just set this up and you should have a decent shot, but remember, this isnt written in stone, play around with it, see what you can do to acheive the best lighting effect you can.------------------
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Sarge
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posted 06-02-2000 10:07 PM
Your camera probably has a mike sitting out in front, aiming in the general direction of the talent. (If you have a jack which allows you to use an external mike, do so.) You will almost certainly record sound at the same time you are recording picture, and in sync. It's called single system, and, yeah, you're right. Despite rumors to the contrary, shooting doubld system (separate sound recorder) without expensive time code, is almost guaranteed to slip sync, and... well, I just re-watched Enter The Dragon, and the sound sync was horrible.As to lighting, I don't know much. There's others that have a lot more going for them. Sarge |
Nick Jade
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posted 06-02-2000 10:49 PM
you dare make fun of Bruce Lee? |
lyvewyer
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posted 06-02-2000 10:53 PM
the reason enter the dragon was out of sync was because it was dubbed from chinese to english. ------------------
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LeoD
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posted 06-03-2000 02:40 AM
Thanks for your help guys just a few more things I'd like you to ponder:-My camcorder has 625 lines, what does this mean and what are other line values for diff formats? There's not a direct ext mic socket. The sound picked on mic isnt bad but wouldnt give a movie feel. Do double systems really suck if you dont have expensive equipment? Any other way of getting good sound? Also how much would the three-point light system cost roughly speaking. Cheers! |
Actor
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posted 06-03-2000 02:59 AM
Since you are in the UK I assume that you are using the PAL system. Both PAL and Secam use 625 horizontal scan lines. The NTSC system used here in the US uses 525 horizontal scan lines. These numbers are locked in by the definition of the system and cannot be changed.However, various formats claim different numbers of "lines" within each horizontal line, the horizontal resolution. VHS & video 8 are about 250 lines, Hi8 and SVHS 400-450 lines and high end pro systems up to 800 lines. The use of the word lines in this context is actually a misnomer but calling it pixels would also be inaccurate. Hi8 does not have anywhere near 625 lines of horizontal resolution so I'm sure what you are dealing with is the 625 horizontal lines of the PAL (or Secam) system. |
LeoD
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posted 06-03-2000 03:09 AM
Actor - In the camcorder manual book it says under specificationsVideo recorder section
Video signal: PAL colour & CCIR monochrome signals 625
Camera section
Scanning: 625 lines/50 fields/25 frames Does this mean it's in the 600s because of it being a PAL system, or is my camcorder pretty cool? I'm hoping the latter! Cheers. |
super8kid2
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posted 06-03-2000 10:02 AM
super 8 has 1,500 lines |
shawnm
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posted 06-03-2000 11:37 AM
The reason a lot of movies seem out of synch once on vdeo is because,
hey allowed tje audio to be like a half a second or so out of synch because in really large theatrs, the sound takes a slight amount of time to process and travel to your ears, and if they offset it a little bit in advance they could have the audio get ot your ears at the same time as the visuals for it are on the screen. |
Mister Twisted
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posted 06-03-2000 02:33 PM
LeoD, sorry to disappoint you, but the 625 does, as Actor said, correspond to the number of scanlines, not the horizontal resolution. Video resolution is measured in "lines" because a test card with converging lines can be used. The lines might start out widely spaced at the bottom and get closer together towards the top. Looking up the picture, the point just before the lines stop being distinguishable as separate lines tells you the resolution of the system.Film resolution isn't quoted in lines, it's quoted in line pairs per millimetre, but the principle is the same. By and large, a Hi-8 camera can give you pictures which, subjectively speaking, aren't too far below the quality of DV. |
LeoD
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posted 06-03-2000 02:51 PM
Ok let me run this by you. If I were to use an external separate source for the sound, such as a tape/md recorder would i get a reasonable result given that I'll be editing with a vcr and camcorder rather than pc. I dont understand how u shoot conversations. For interest you want loads of diff shots and angles right? But when you edit up you're going to chop up the dialogue so it wont make sense. Any ideas of what to do about this?Cheers |
Actor
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posted 06-03-2000 03:13 PM
Mister Twisted--Thanx for the information about the test card. I didn't know that. Learn something new every day.
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